The following is my response to a comment posted in response to "Mormon Sex" by "Anonymous". (Always anonymous!) I thought it deserved treatment here.
***
I confess to being ignorant and misinformed, as you
inferred. I was not there and did, in fact, misunderstand what my wife told me
after the fact. Only after I posted the above did I find out from her that the
bishop's comments were made in private, to parents only. I was concerned about
being mistaken, but relieved nonetheless to know that I was in error.
That being said, my wife went away from that meeting feeling
"obligated" to talk to our children about the topic at hand, at the
bishop's urging, so the effect was the same. (If I have still misunderstood the
circumstances, I apologize.) The point is that this issue is, apparently, an
issue in the ward and with LDS youth in general and that is
very unfortunate and distressing indeed.
As for the questions the bishop feels obliged to ask...I am
torn (as I said). I did not accuse him of wrong-doing. I have to say, I see
great wisdom in the words of sfort below. However, at the same time, any loving
father (or minister) would feel inclined to "interject" himself in
social matters as serious and "contagious" as sexual immorality. Our
scriptures practically demand his involvement. I'm gratified to see that
parents were included, even recruited, to be at the
"front lines" of this "fight".
I have no doubt my former bishop serves prayerfully, with
good will, sincerity, selfless devotion and with the best interests of those in
his flock at heart. I have no doubt that he wishes that everyone -- especially
every youth in his charge -- should live pure and virtuous lives. I am
confident that he sets a sterling example of all the LDS Church expects of its
membership and leadership.
Jeffrey R. Holland's talk, as you pointed out, was, indeed, a
"high water mark", one that greatly inspired me. His remarks are one
of the many reasons I have for believing that he is a true servant of God. And
I love him dearly.
While you may find my "treatment" of the subject
"casual, careless, and sensational", I assure you, my intentions were
anything but. I was sickened and saddened that the subject ever came up. But inasmuch
as it was foisted upon my family, despite our best efforts
to avoid it, I wasn't going to mince words -- just as the bishop didn't
(apparently) in closed session with parents. Only the title of my post was
"sensational" -- but certainly not misleading. You somehow found
fault with what I wrote anyway.
As for driving traffic to my blog, anyone searching for
"Mormon Sex" is the least likely candidate to be
interested in or benefit from anything I have to say. (The negative comments
and personal attacks condemning me in this post confirm that.) I have no
interest in self-promotion. This blog only serves as "bread crumbs"
for my children and interested others, to mark the way, that they may know what
their father (and friend) thought, said and did. It is my personal, public
testimony to the world. Take it or leave it. (I have a friend who says
"Unless God commands you to write it, keep it to yourself." But I
think God already has commanded us to warn our neighbors,
once we have been warned. This is my warning.)
I believe the LDS Church is (still) the best organization
this telestial world has to offer. It is not without its virtues...or its
vices. I still bring investigators to Church and actively encourage them to
join (if they so choose). One of my neighbors (who I introduced to the faith)
is currently meeting with the missionaries (whom we gladly feed in our home)
and is scheduled to be baptized on the 8th of next month. (We'll see.)
That being said, I do not foresee a day when I would ever be
invited or allowed to participate in Mormon ceremonies again -- nor would I
want to, under the present circumstances. The Mormon Church is rapidly drifting
toward a "Zoramite" position, supplanting Christ with the prophet
(whomever happens to fill that position, regardless), dispensing with the need
-- the absolute requirement -- of coming unto Christ personally. Indeed,
every single man involved in my excommunication, including your beloved
bishop and stake president, consented to the statement voiced by one
of them at my excommunication that "Christ does not save us
personally."
I believe them. Everyone one of them. By their own mouths
they have spoken it and by the raising of the right hand they consented to it. It pains me to know that, despite my best
efforts, this is the case. I sorrow for their wives and children.
And for my own. (For I do not yet view myself as one having been
"received" of the Lord...but I'm working on it!)
Even so, my family and I have greatly benefited by our
association with the LDS Church. I encourage my children to remain active in
the Church. I hope my sons will serve missions. (I know for a fact that one of
my sons was sent from heaven to do so.) Until I was kicked out, I considered
myself among the Church's most faithful adherents and ardent defenders (despite my many failings, sins and weaknesses). I hope
you never experience the betrayal and confusion I felt when the people I
trusted to point to Christ demanded that I either pledge allegiance and
unquestioning fealty to a man or get out. Because I retained
the right to speak with God for myself and get answers from Him
outside of some alleged "chain of authority" they
claimed to control exclusively, with the power to dictate my behavior, even
beliefs, on every issue -- they felt threatened...and kicked me out -- for the
good of the saints.
So be it.
The irony of it all is: I never disagreed with anything that
man ever taught! Nor did I fail to abide his counsel. The mere fact that I said
he could be wrong, that he might make mistakes, that he doesn't always speak on
the Lord's behalf, that he may not possess the "fulness of the
priesthood" lost or taken away from the Church as of January 19, 1841 (see
D&C 124:28)...all that got me kicked out. And, yet, is anyone
willing to stand up and tell the truth: that leaders of the LDS Church
have made mistakes, taught false doctrine, led the Church
astray, etc.?
Dieter F. Uchtdorf did. In General Conference! Using some of
the very words I used! (See "Come, Join With Us". Search keyword "mistakes".)
But because I said those things (and I'm
a "nobody", even a "bad guy" in the Church), I'm an
"apostate". Oh, I guess I should add, I said it
publicly on my blog...and in church. (But he said it in
General Conference!) Yes, but I said it with more "meat". (He just
said "There may have been things
said or done that were not in harmony with our values, principles, or
doctrine.")
Talk about understatement.
I believe the men who excommunicated me are, first and foremost, loyal
to an organization rather than to the
truth. (As far as I know, I only spoke the truth. They would quash
the truth if it served the organization. I've seen them do it, again and again.) They follow a man.
I have been privileged to know for myself, personally, that Being we
call Jesus Christ. Fortunately, I have heard His own voice for myself. (It
is beautiful!) I am not enthralled with any man. (And the
more I know of these men, the less I am enthralled.)
Don't tell me I need to "follow the
prophet". If the Holy Ghost bears witness to me of the truthfulness of
another man's (or woman's) words, I will gladly follow those words. Heck, I
would gladly follow any leader of the LDS Church (and I did!)
unless the Holy Ghost commanded otherwise. (And when has
that ever happened?) If I had known then
what I know now -- that it is, perhaps, more important to be submissive, meek,
humble, patient, full of love, etc., rather than right -- I
probably would have taken down my blog and still be in the Church today.
But, for whatever reason, I didn't do that. And I got to see
another side of the Church that made their decision to excommunicate me seem
all that more "palatable", appropriate and "necessary" to me. I probably
should thank them.
"But what if your Holy Ghost is
different from my Holy Ghost?" one of the Mormon high priests
who excommunicated me asked me, when I told him we ought to follow the Holy
Ghost rather than a man.
"We don't really even need the Holy Ghost", he
said, "because we have a living prophet."
That man's words left me speechless. What could I say to
that? Such gross ignorance, such falsehood, spoken by one who presumes to lead
the Church and even excommunicate those who will not follow
him, demonstrates apostasy on a scale my online musings
could never approach.
Thank you for your appropriate criticism. I welcome your
insights, corrections and commentary here. I hope you'll return and contribute more
to this dialogue.
"(I have a friend who says "Unless God commands you to write it, keep it to yourself." But I think God already has commanded us to warn our neighbors, once we have been warned. This is my warning.)"
ReplyDeleteYour friend needs to take his own damned advice.
I am kind of frightened by the fervor to blindly follow the prophet that i am seeing everywhere in the church. I have seen LDS members say that if the prophet told them to stand on their heads they would do it. That makes no sense. I was kicked out of an LDS facebook group last week for talking about how Christ wants all of us to be prophets, like found in the story of Moses where Christ wanted all the Israelites to come up the mountain and see God. Everyone else was breathlessly discussing a popular book and the visions contained therein and treating the author as if she was a prophet. I say my thing from the scriptures and i get called an apostate and then admin deletes ME for telling false doctrine! I was told by someone that they dont take apostasy lightly, ESPECIALLY after last weeks conference (I guess it was not so bad before the conference, haha). The point of all this? I am afraid that a lot of church members are frothing at the mouth right now to find and report supposed apostasy and turn each other in l left and right. So much for love and tolerance. And scripture knowledge. A quote from the scriptures instead of the prophet will get you shouted down at a minimum, especially if the two conflict. -Rebecca C
ReplyDeleteI cannot say it any better than this quote.
Delete"Idolatry is the universal human tendency to value something or someone in a way that hinders the love and trust we owe to God. It is an act of theft from God whereby we use some part of creation in a way that steals from honor due to God. Idolatry conflicts with our putting God alone first in our lives, in what we love and trust (see Exodus 20:3-5; Deut. 5:7-9; Romans 1:21-23).
In idolatry we put something or someone, usually a gift from God, in a place of value that detracts from the first place owed to God alone, the gift giver. That thing or person is an idol.
The way out of idolatry is always to love and to trust the gift Giver without interference from any gift or any thing other than God. We will then be able to love and to appreciate gifts appropriately, neither giving them too much power nor failing to be thankful for them. We will then be free indeed, and not in bondage or addiction to anything that cannot fulfill us or give us peace."
Thank you. I see that many (at least among those reading Tim's blog) recognize what is happening.
DeleteI would encourage you to go and experience a few other churches. The LDS church is not, in any way, shape, or form, the best this world has to offer. There are, believe it or not, congregations that actually live what Jesus taught in a far greater degree, and worship God in spirit and truth.
ReplyDeleteAnd keep blogging. :-) God bless!